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		<title>Comment on Purple Pennsylvania Act 47 solution is not a solution by Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/1726#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon,

By all means read the references.  As for wealth transfer, those statistics that are cited by your referenced organization are based on census data (statistical categories) versus Treasury Dept data (real people) to support a solution in search of a problem.   Households and people are not the same thing.  

From 1967 – 2005 household income only rose by 31% but during that same time period per capita income rose by 122%.  The reason is quite simple.  As the Census Bureau concluded beginning in 1966, the number of households began to increase at a rate greater than the number of people because of an increase in the number of unrelated people choosing to maintain their own household (e.g. young persons getting their own apartment).  That growth in the number of households as defined by the census further continued to grow as a result in declining marriage rates combined with increasing divorce rates and as a result of the growing tendency toward unwed motherhood (Baby’s Daddy don’t live with Baby’s Momma).  

Once again they are using income data, and purposely skewed income data at that, which is not wealth… income earned at a point in time, is not wealth.  Even the Treasury data based on real people and reported income does not include many transfer payments (e.g. welfare, food stamps, fuel assistance, housing assistance, govt provided medical services, etc). Those are types of “income in kind” that amount to at least hundreds of billions, if not over a trillion, of tax dollars annually that are not included in those income statistics.  

It’s not that wealth doesn’t shift around for individuals and statistical groups but there are those that play with the numbers to support a predetermined conclusion and conclude that the shift that they choose to “prove” is a bad thing.  

Each private jet equals a butt load of employment for ordinary folks like us… building ‘em, maintaining ‘em, servicing ‘em when they take off and land, and so on.  One should seek out “wealthy” people if employment is of interest as the poor are not hiring.    At least I don’t recall ever having a job offer from a poor person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon,</p>
<p>By all means read the references.  As for wealth transfer, those statistics that are cited by your referenced organization are based on census data (statistical categories) versus Treasury Dept data (real people) to support a solution in search of a problem.   Households and people are not the same thing.  </p>
<p>From 1967 – 2005 household income only rose by 31% but during that same time period per capita income rose by 122%.  The reason is quite simple.  As the Census Bureau concluded beginning in 1966, the number of households began to increase at a rate greater than the number of people because of an increase in the number of unrelated people choosing to maintain their own household (e.g. young persons getting their own apartment).  That growth in the number of households as defined by the census further continued to grow as a result in declining marriage rates combined with increasing divorce rates and as a result of the growing tendency toward unwed motherhood (Baby’s Daddy don’t live with Baby’s Momma).  </p>
<p>Once again they are using income data, and purposely skewed income data at that, which is not wealth… income earned at a point in time, is not wealth.  Even the Treasury data based on real people and reported income does not include many transfer payments (e.g. welfare, food stamps, fuel assistance, housing assistance, govt provided medical services, etc). Those are types of “income in kind” that amount to at least hundreds of billions, if not over a trillion, of tax dollars annually that are not included in those income statistics.  </p>
<p>It’s not that wealth doesn’t shift around for individuals and statistical groups but there are those that play with the numbers to support a predetermined conclusion and conclude that the shift that they choose to “prove” is a bad thing.  </p>
<p>Each private jet equals a butt load of employment for ordinary folks like us… building ‘em, maintaining ‘em, servicing ‘em when they take off and land, and so on.  One should seek out “wealthy” people if employment is of interest as the poor are not hiring.    At least I don’t recall ever having a job offer from a poor person.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Purple Pennsylvania Act 47 solution is not a solution by Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/1726#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rich,

That&#039;s really interesting. You&#039;ll have to give me some time to read through all those links. 

In the meantime, what about the fact that the share of total income going to the top 1 percent of earners, which stood at 8.9 percent in 1976, rose to 23.5 percent by 2007, but during the same period, the average inflation-adjusted hourly wage declined by more than 7 percent. (http://extremeinequality.org/?page_id=8)? That&#039;s a massive, massive shifting of wealth, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rich,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s really interesting. You&#8217;ll have to give me some time to read through all those links. </p>
<p>In the meantime, what about the fact that the share of total income going to the top 1 percent of earners, which stood at 8.9 percent in 1976, rose to 23.5 percent by 2007, but during the same period, the average inflation-adjusted hourly wage declined by more than 7 percent. (<a href="http://extremeinequality.org/?page_id=8)?" rel="nofollow">http://extremeinequality.org/?page_id=8)?</a> That&#8217;s a massive, massive shifting of wealth, right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Purple Pennsylvania Act 47 solution is not a solution by Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/1726#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon,

That redistribution of wealth did not occur… that comes from an intentional and deceptive confusion of statistical categories and real people.  The overwhelming majority of real people pass through a number of statistical categories over the course of their lives.  That is, early in life a person will normally be in the lowest percentile in terms of income (Note: income and wealth are not the same thing) and overtime as they gain more experience and become more productive move up through a number of statistically higher income bands.  Some may move back and forth between these bands and typically as you wind it down later in life you start heading back down through lower income bands.  As it turns out I was reading about this very thing this morning (see Chapter 3 – Intellectuals and Economics in Intellectuals and Society by Dr. Thomas Sowell).  He explains it so well and I would not do it justice.  

You might also want to take a quick read of a very good little article that explains income and shifting through the brackets in a St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank - Inside The Vault, Spring 2010 - article titled “U.S. Income Inequality: It’s Not So Bad” at http://stlouisfed.org/publications/itv/articles/?id=1920.  I came across this while researching for some articles I wrote concerning the state of the recession recovery referencing key economic charts maintained by the St. Louis Fed.  Actually I have this Fed article on my ‘to do’ list for posts to this blog.  

All of the statistical misinformation aside it comes down to a matter of property rights.  Property rights are individual rights and you have no right to my property or anyone else’s property and the government has no rights (other than those surrendered to it by We the People) to any individual’s property (legally obtained property that is).  It is the purpose of government to protect the rights of the individual.  See James Madison on Property - http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/537</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon,</p>
<p>That redistribution of wealth did not occur… that comes from an intentional and deceptive confusion of statistical categories and real people.  The overwhelming majority of real people pass through a number of statistical categories over the course of their lives.  That is, early in life a person will normally be in the lowest percentile in terms of income (Note: income and wealth are not the same thing) and overtime as they gain more experience and become more productive move up through a number of statistically higher income bands.  Some may move back and forth between these bands and typically as you wind it down later in life you start heading back down through lower income bands.  As it turns out I was reading about this very thing this morning (see Chapter 3 – Intellectuals and Economics in Intellectuals and Society by Dr. Thomas Sowell).  He explains it so well and I would not do it justice.  </p>
<p>You might also want to take a quick read of a very good little article that explains income and shifting through the brackets in a St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank &#8211; Inside The Vault, Spring 2010 &#8211; article titled “U.S. Income Inequality: It’s Not So Bad” at <a href="http://stlouisfed.org/publications/itv/articles/?id=1920" rel="nofollow">http://stlouisfed.org/publications/itv/articles/?id=1920</a>.  I came across this while researching for some articles I wrote concerning the state of the recession recovery referencing key economic charts maintained by the St. Louis Fed.  Actually I have this Fed article on my ‘to do’ list for posts to this blog.  </p>
<p>All of the statistical misinformation aside it comes down to a matter of property rights.  Property rights are individual rights and you have no right to my property or anyone else’s property and the government has no rights (other than those surrendered to it by We the People) to any individual’s property (legally obtained property that is).  It is the purpose of government to protect the rights of the individual.  See James Madison on Property &#8211; <a href="http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/537" rel="nofollow">http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/537</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Purple Pennsylvania Act 47 solution is not a solution by Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/1726#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been a massive redistribution of wealth that has happened over the last 50 years...but from the middle class to the wealthiest 2%. They&#039;re flying in million dollar private jets between their 6 homes, making money by betting public funds while middle class wages have been completely stagnant...and yet somehow...somehow...the idea of making them give back to the majority of Americans is what&#039;s branded as &quot;redistribution of wealth&quot;. That makes no sense to me. As much as it hurts to me to say, I support more taxes on the rich in order to help ensure a thriving middle class...and if people want to call that redistribution of wealth fine, whatever, at least it will finally be going in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a massive redistribution of wealth that has happened over the last 50 years&#8230;but from the middle class to the wealthiest 2%. They&#8217;re flying in million dollar private jets between their 6 homes, making money by betting public funds while middle class wages have been completely stagnant&#8230;and yet somehow&#8230;somehow&#8230;the idea of making them give back to the majority of Americans is what&#8217;s branded as &#8220;redistribution of wealth&#8221;. That makes no sense to me. As much as it hurts to me to say, I support more taxes on the rich in order to help ensure a thriving middle class&#8230;and if people want to call that redistribution of wealth fine, whatever, at least it will finally be going in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama’s Stupid Czar and using the free market to de-develop America by Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/1185#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well now by golly that&#039;s probably something Holdren hasn&#039;t thought of.   It may be beyond his meager ability to apply market based solutions however.  He mostly just mouths the words &#039;free market economy&#039; and it&#039;s not clear he has a clue what that means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well now by golly that&#8217;s probably something Holdren hasn&#8217;t thought of.   It may be beyond his meager ability to apply market based solutions however.  He mostly just mouths the words &#8216;free market economy&#8217; and it&#8217;s not clear he has a clue what that means.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Obama’s Stupid Czar and using the free market to de-develop America by Percival Schares</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/1185#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Percival Schares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 17:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea that Holdren would definitely approve of:
http://abortioncarboncredits.blog.com/

De-populating and cutting CO2 with a market-based solution! Beauty..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea that Holdren would definitely approve of:<br />
<a href="http://abortioncarboncredits.blog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://abortioncarboncredits.blog.com/</a></p>
<p>De-populating and cutting CO2 with a market-based solution! Beauty..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arizona S.B. 1070 ruling &#8211; Where once was a nation of laws now stands a nation of idiots by World Wide News Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/618#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>World Wide News Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Arizona S.B. 1070 ruling ? Where once was a nation of laws now stands a nation of idiots...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found your entry interesting do I&#039;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Arizona S.B. 1070 ruling ? Where once was a nation of laws now stands a nation of idiots&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I found your entry interesting do I&#8217;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog <img src='http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on $251M Medicare fraud bust – maybe the government shouldn’t be in this business by World Wide News Flash</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/393#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>World Wide News Flash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;$251M Medicare fraud bust ? maybe the government shouldn?t be in this business...&lt;/strong&gt;

I found your entry interesting do I&#039;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>$251M Medicare fraud bust ? maybe the government shouldn?t be in this business&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I found your entry interesting do I&#8217;ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog <img src='http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Murtha and Specter; pork and books anyone? by Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.ourfounderscompass.com/archives/232#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that Fast Eddie Rendell would pull the old hold and spend for votes trick if it weren&#039;t for the fact that he&#039;s outta here after the November, 2010 elections.  What he will no doubt do is use these pork rolls as grease for whatever other political ambitions he might have.  

Perhaps it wasn&#039;t obvious in the words about the reason for this blog being started in the first place,  but you may rest assured that yours truly has not voted for and will not be voting for Fast Eddie or any of his ilk.   The danger for the Commonwealth is the skulldugery Fast Eddie and his minions pull with voting in the Philadelphia and Pittsburg areas.  It takes a lot of votes in the mid state to overcome their army of voting zombies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that Fast Eddie Rendell would pull the old hold and spend for votes trick if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that he&#8217;s outta here after the November, 2010 elections.  What he will no doubt do is use these pork rolls as grease for whatever other political ambitions he might have.  </p>
<p>Perhaps it wasn&#8217;t obvious in the words about the reason for this blog being started in the first place,  but you may rest assured that yours truly has not voted for and will not be voting for Fast Eddie or any of his ilk.   The danger for the Commonwealth is the skulldugery Fast Eddie and his minions pull with voting in the Philadelphia and Pittsburg areas.  It takes a lot of votes in the mid state to overcome their army of voting zombies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Murtha and Specter; pork and books anyone? by AmicusOfAll</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmicusOfAll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hum, let me guess......they&#039;ll take the money &#039;raised&#039; for these bogus projects, just like the 42% of currently UNSPENT federal stimulus dollars and hold on to it until a later date.  
What is that later date?  Where&#039;s my crystal ball...oh yeah, summer 2012.  That&#039;s when Rendell, following the Obama lead will use this cash to create temporary jobs.  They&#039;ll tell us everything is ok and they have saved the world!
And, guess what?  Stupid voters will vote for them.  Again.
I will not be (and refuse to allow you to be) a stupid voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum, let me guess&#8230;&#8230;they&#8217;ll take the money &#8216;raised&#8217; for these bogus projects, just like the 42% of currently UNSPENT federal stimulus dollars and hold on to it until a later date.<br />
What is that later date?  Where&#8217;s my crystal ball&#8230;oh yeah, summer 2012.  That&#8217;s when Rendell, following the Obama lead will use this cash to create temporary jobs.  They&#8217;ll tell us everything is ok and they have saved the world!<br />
And, guess what?  Stupid voters will vote for them.  Again.<br />
I will not be (and refuse to allow you to be) a stupid voter.</p>
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